How we made this podcast happen – turning ideas into reality with Pokie Huang

Michelle Lynne: Hey everybody and welcome back to the Fearless Artist Podcast. My name is Michelle Lynne, your host. And today I am so excited to have a very special guest. This is our one and only podcast producer Pokie Huang. Pokie, welcome.

Pokie Huang: Thanks for having me.

Michelle Lynne: Thank you for making this show possible. I mean, we have so much we’re going to talk about today. But first of all, just for everybody listening, Pokey is the reason that you’re listening to this episode. He is incredible. He takes all of the audio and turns it into magic and, uh, distributes it across all the platforms. And it’s really thanks to you that we’ve been able to do this.

I had it on my heart to do a podcast forever and only thanks to you. And we’ll talk about that later in the episode about being consistent with a new project, especially adding something to like a very full schedule. Like this, none of this would have happened without you. So I’ve had the ideas and I’ve brought on the guests, but you made it happen.

So thank you.

So why don’t you introduce yourself to our audience and tell us a little bit about who you are.

Pokie Huang: Um, okay. I’m Pokie. I am a pianist and I live in New York City. I have been, uh, doing podcasts for, I think, the last two, three years. And I also build websites for musicians. Um, I also teach, um, I have a teaching studio here in New York City. So kind of doing little things here and there.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah. Fellow pianist. Speaking of New York, let’s just, uh, go back to last week when I was there in person. So Poki and I finally got to meet in person last week when I was in New York City for a few days. Uh, that was fun.

Pokie Huang: Right. Yeah. I mean, I was telling Michelle, I said, it’s, um, it was kind of funny to see you in person rather than seeing through a screen. So yeah, it was good.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, you have heard my voice so much over the last year, like it’s almost like I’m a little embarrassed to think about it because you told me once that you listen to every episode like five times to edit it.

Pokie Huang: Well, I have to,

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, yeah, you have to. But so what I mean is like you’ve heard me a bazillion hours. Anyway, yeah, it was so great to meet in person. I mean, we’ve been working together online for well over a year, and then you were coaching with me through TFA the year before that, so it’s just amazing to me. Like, I will forever die on this Instagram hill.

Like, it has been such an incredible place to meet musicians that become real life friends. Like, for everybody who thinks social media is fake, it’s… or that, you know, you can’t meet real people. I mean, that’s just been my experience has been the opposite. And you’re just another great example of that. So yeah, I got to come to New York.

There was a friend of mine singing in Carnegie and I wanted to hear him and I wanted to meet you. And basically we just like ate our way through the city. It was so fun to hang out and to talk, all things podcast and the plans that we have this year—we’re going to weekly episode releases. So that’s really cool. Yeah. So anyway, I wanted to ask you, when you first found TFA, what was your initial impression? Why did you join? Like, what were you looking for back then?

Pokie Huang: It was interesting because I remember I found TFA that was right before you guys started rebranding.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, just pause here because do you remember the flower? Do you remember our old logo? Okay, so for anyone listening to this podcast, if you remember the flower, please DM me because that flower, like RIP, like we had this really colorful, amazing flower that I found on Unsplash and that was our logo for like two years, three years.

And then we decided that we needed to do a rebrand and become professional. And everyone said, kill the flower. And I was a little bit heartbroken, but I remember you told me it was because of the rebrand that you were like, “Oh, who are these people? Like what’s going on?”

Pokie Huang: Right. I felt, “Whoa, what just happened?” And at the time I was, uh, planning to start the website business and, we started talking and then, you kind of gave us confidence where you can not only do one thing, right? Because as a, as a pianist, that’s what we learn when we’re in school—just practice, practice, practice.

You’re going to be okay, but actually you’re not okay when you get out of school. I mean, how do we know anything? Right. So that was kind of one of the things that really got my attention. You talk about a lot of real-life stories and then we started working together.

Michelle Lynne: And, um, tell me a little bit more, like, we have our membership Fast Forward, which is a bigger community, but you went straight for the one-on-one coaching sessions, which are more expensive. Can you tell me, like, how you made that decision and why you wanted to invest in yourself?

Pokie Huang: So, the decision was made after our initial call, right? At the time, I needed somebody kind of to give me guidance on what I was doing. I think you also talked about, sometimes it’s difficult to do your own thing if you have a different lens to kind of show you what you’re doing.

So that’s what I was looking for. And you kind of gave me an idea of what we’re going to— we’re going to do. Um, yeah. So I decided, why not go for the best, right?

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, it’s amazing. And I, I love that. And I was so honored that you went straight for the one-on-one because I love working one-on-one with people. I think that’s how I can have a bigger impact. I love unlocking people and discovering, you know, what are the limiting beliefs and how can we overcome those.

I’ve had to do so much work on myself with a fixed growth mindset. If anyone listening knows my story, it’s been about overcoming perfectionism for the last number of years. And so I’ve had to use so many tools on myself, like working with different coaches. And so I literally light up when I see someone else start to get it, like that they feel empowered and that they feel like they’re, first of all, worth it, that they have a message, they have a product of value… I mean, you are building websites for musicians.

All musicians need a website and many musicians don’t know how to make their own. I remember struggling, uh, in quarantine in Canada in my parents’ trailer. Did I ever tell you this, that I built the first TFA website when I was in quarantine?

Pokie Huang: I remember ’cause we ended up changing over our Instagram and the website at the same time and we got a new color palette. We just, you know, all of our content changed. I think I went through like this neon phase with our Instagram. And then I went through the kind of like orange phase, and so I was working with a business coach—I still am, actually.

Michelle Lynne: And then they do digital media services. So then I think Deanna and I were just like at the point, like, “Okay, we really want to step up our game and take, you know, you want to be taken seriously.” And that comes with presenting yourself in a professional way.

And that’s kind of also an example of how we like to help our musicians in the social media sprint, because if you want to be taken seriously and be seen as someone who has authority and you’re an expert in your area, then you want your social media to be the place where, when people find you, they’re like, “Wow, who is this?”

They have confidence. They know what they’re talking about. They have something to say. They have a message to share. And that’s like—we’re doing the sprint right now. You know, we have new groups starting up for our social media program and that’s where we really help musicians. Who are you as an artist? What is the message that you want to share? Who is the target audience that you want to reach? And let’s make a content strategy so that it’s that repeatable branding over and over—when people find your page, they know what they’re going to anticipate, what they can expect from your content, and who you are.

And so I think the website is like an extended version of that, but it was such a big flag for me when you said, because of your rebrand, I started paying attention because I was like, “Oh, so this investment was worth it.” ‘Cause that investment was like a few thousand euros for us and, um, you know, you always hesitate and you’re like, “Oh, well, it’s good enough as it is.”

Like, we don’t need to really invest in this. So kind of parallel to you investing in coaching, which I’d like to get back to because you’ve had some great success from your website business already. Can, um, can you talk a little bit about the journey into owning your new business as a pianist? You also have this other business building websites and now you’re being profitable.

Pokie Huang: Right. So how I started was really—it just, I was a hobby. And doing COVID, I was doing a lot of little things here and there. And I see that musicians really need help. So

Michelle Lynne: We all?

Pokie Huang: I—I know, right? And it just happened; that’s something that I always like to do.

So when I redesign a musician’s website, people notice. And, sometimes we think, “Oh, people don’t pay attention,” but people do. And, if I decided not to invest in myself, I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing right now, right? Because we cannot do everything by ourselves. And that’s one thing I learned—I need to outsource. I need to ask for help. So, yes, so that’s where, you know,

Michelle Lynne: In the beginning of our coaching sessions, it was just literally getting—there’s a lot of elements of just getting organized. Like, I mean, I had a call today with someone and they’ve got a million ideas and they’re looking at coming into the mastermind. It’s like, “Where do I start? I’ve got all these ideas. I’ve got all these strengths and skills. How do I even get going?” So for you, we were really creating your offer, like the basic website, the more advanced—like what is your target? Who is your target audience? How do you write a message that’s clear to them? I know we worked a lot on your messaging and really targeting the right people.

Um, talk about some of the referrals that have come in and the recent projects that you’ve had.

Pokie Huang: So that was one of the things I was saying—that I redesigned a website—and so people started seeing this, and that’s how I started getting referrals because, you know, the music world is really small. Right? And so when you, when you look, you’re like, “Oh, who did this?”

So people contact me. They would be like, “Hey, I saw you did this. Can you help us?” So we started, you know, start talking. So yeah, well,

Michelle Lynne: That’s awesome… so how are you balancing your time between website business and your teaching? And, you know, if you’re pursuing any performance opportunities—I know you also work at a school—like, how do you handle all of that mix?

Pokie Huang: That’s why I’m in the mastermind.

Michelle Lynne: I did not ask you to say that; that was voluntary.

Pokie Huang: Yeah, well…

Michelle Lynne: You are—no, you are in the mastermind. It’s good that we say that too, ’cause we just had a great call today. That was so, so awesome.

Pokie Huang: When we started, that was my first thing, right? Talk about how to manage time better. You know, I have to get the website out at a certain time and we have the podcast—we have, you know, I have to go teach. So there’s so many different things and I’m still learning how to have a better system, right?

Michelle Lynne: Speaking of systems, I mean, I mentioned it already at the beginning of the episode, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on how we have managed to work together and be so consistent and like, what are some things that we’ve done that have been successful because we didn’t miss a single week—and then, sorry, we were releasing every two weeks for the first year—but like with my schedule, I mean, I had a bazillion concerts, you’re teaching all the time, you’re running around, you were in Vermont for a piano camp, like you’re doing stuff. How did we do this?

Because I know so many musicians are listening to this and they’ve got a thousand things going on and maybe they have dreams and new projects that they’d like to start, but they’re like, literally, there is no time.

Pokie Huang: So we have a system where at a certain time, I need all the materials. If we don’t have anything, I will, you know, basically harass you nonstop, um, say, “Hey…”

Michelle Lynne: That’s true. In a very kind way, I never felt actually harassed.

Pokie Huang: That’s why we, you know, at the very beginning I said, “We can’t do everything by ourselves.” Right. So I think that’s my role when we started doing this—I said, “Okay, we need to get this done this way,” so we can have episodes out every, you know, being consistent. I think that’s the key.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, and for example, you asked me to work four episodes out so that we would have backlog in case something went wrong, which it did. Do you want to share what happened recently?

Pokie Huang: Yeah. So, um, I think you had a concert.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, I did. And it was, like, a Tuesday.

Pokie Huang: And I said, “Michelle, we really need something.” So you said, “Okay, okay. I’ll record after my concert series at 1 a.m.” You did it. You’re so proud. I was so happy, you know? Uh, and I think next day I try to import it, trying to, you know, do my work. I was like, “Why, why is there no sound?”

Um, anyway, so we had a little…

Michelle Lynne: So I got a 3 a.m. SOS.

Pokie Huang: Yeah, but because we have something in the bank, right? We were able to keep pushing it. We just threw that away and just kept moving on.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, exactly. No, I think definitely the team aspect of us working together—also, you know, the system that you’re mentioning for like other musicians wanting to bring on things. Like you need to make it simple and repeatable… And I think for us, it was like, we just kept making it more simple and simple. Like in the beginning, you were asking me for like every guest speaker’s headshot and bio. So then I would have to email them and then they would email me and then I’d send it to you. And then eventually you just started going like directly to their sites—not even asking them and like just taking their headshot and bio, right? Then now we have content, like I’m so proud of this because I see so many other podcasts and they have great episodes and they want to do short form content to drive people to the podcast, but it just doesn’t happen because there’s not a system behind it. So we figured out quickly—you send now the transcript, you harass me to highlight it, which I’ve gotten better at—I’m more on top of that. Then we send that over to our social media girls and they make the clips.

I’ve taught them how I’d like them to make them look; they put the captions on—they used to send it to me for approval, now it just goes out. You know, I taught them my editing style, I taught them what I want to see, I taught them how to start a social media post with a good hook. You know, in the beginning, it was a little bit slower, and now I’m like, “No, you gotta start with, like, the most important piece of the content,” and things that I’ve learned from watching people like Gary V, or, or, you know, all the social media training. Um, and so that’s gotten so much better, and then they write a caption that’s about that.

Then they add the other guest speaker’s collaborator. I mean, we’ve had some big names on the podcast this year, like Deanna Breiwick, for example. And her episode’s been the highest downloaded one. We ended up making four reels with her in it. Her fan base knows her. They respect her so much. And this has given us big visibility—where, like, she, uh, accepted a collab reel with us, and then we’re getting seen by so many more people. And all of this has happened—like, I’m just so proud because all I have to do is I do the 30-minute conversation and then I’m literally hands-off and you guys handle it so well and then, you know, I’ll open my phone and I’m like, “Oh, there’s another piece of content that went out.”

Like, it is so beautiful. So I just really believe in outsourcing, delegating, bringing people into your team. I could never do this podcast by myself. It never would have happened. And if I was doing it, I certainly wouldn’t have Instagram posts going out about it. Or else I’d be living on my phone even more than I am. Yeah.

Pokie Huang: The system—and you have to trust the system. Um, I’m a person that—I need to control everything and I learned not to, right? So I kind of, once I’m done my part, I just hand it over to you and, you know, to the social media girls and they, they do an amazing job. If it was like five years ago, I wouldn’t be able to do it because I want to see every single part. I need to make sure every single part is right.

Michelle Lynne: That’s interesting. Yeah.

Pokie Huang: I guess we have the trust. I was just—I’m doing my part. I just hand it back to you and hands off. So I think that that’s why now everything is really more consistent. We have all the reels come out. Um, you know, so…

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, which is great because now we’re scaling this year. Like we’re going to twice the amount of episodes. So I’ve been a little bit intimidated this year because every Friday I’m like, “Oh man, like we need to have something ready.” So now I’ve started booking guests. I’m booked for the next three weeks, I think, with people like two or three times a week, ’cause then I’ll, I know that we’ll be out, but I’ve had to also think and plan ahead a little bit because we’ve doubled our output.

Um, and I love that you’re talking about being less controlling. Like, I have been a controlling person in the past. It’s something I’m still having to work on sometimes, but I’ve also really let go with stuff like social media content. Like, I don’t write the captions. I used to go through and, like, in the beginning when I trained Constandina and Puck, I told them, “Use these emojis, use these words. This is how Michelle would say it. I want it to sound like me, and I want it to be my thoughts.” But they’re taking my thoughts from the video script. So, like, I’ve already spoken it from myself. It’s not like they’re writing it themselves. They’re just, like, translating it. That really helped me because I’m like, “Okay, this is definitely in the right atmosphere of how I would have said it,” and even if the wording isn’t exactly correct, I’m going to stop nitpicking, because even with my own content, like, Konstantina makes, uh, my Instagram content, and in the beginning, I’d, like, be sending back and forth edits with her on stuff like B-roll videos and then finally I’m like, “Michelle, wake up, this isn’t important—it’s simply just to get your visibility up.” And then the engagement is me, like, talking to people and actually nurturing my fans in my community. So that’s been really helpful for me to just let go—letting go of stuff that doesn’t actually matter.

Pokie Huang: I think for us as pianists, I think that’s our trait, right? We want to be fully in control, but I thought it was interesting because, well, because now I know what’s behind the scenes, but sometimes I’m like, “How are you posting reels when you’re traveling or you’re flying?” I mean, I—you know, it’s just amazing, right? But you know, it’s just amazing. Even when you’re here, I see that you have an idea, you just send it over right away. Um, yeah, it’s just amazing—like learning that it’s possible to handle so many different things and trust the system.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, and I mean, you can always upgrade the system, you can always tweak the system. Like Deanna and I just made some decisions today, for example, about how the mastermind—how to improve it, um, improve scheduling. Um, so the system is in place until you change it for the better, you know, and then we need to communicate that, of course, to the team. And it took her and I, like, quite a long time to figure out what the best decision was—’cause figuring it out as you go—and you’re also listening to the people. Like we have eight people in the mastermind right now. We’re like, “Okay, what’s most helpful for everyone? Like, how can we serve people the best? What do they need?” And like, as you mentioned earlier, like today’s call was so good. Uh, people are just bringing what they’re most passionate about, what they’re really working on. It’s an open and safe place—high-level career strategy, but also just like real authentic artists who are looking to share their purpose.

And we just love working with that. So we need systems in place so that we can accomplish the purpose. And if we don’t have a good system in place, then we’re not free to do what we’re called to do. I love that you notice that, like, I’ll get an idea and I’ll just whip it off. And that’s exactly how I am. Like, I’ll just shoot it off to Constandina or a Puck or, or a concert text comes in from someone and I just pass it along to Puck and she puts it in my calendar and she books the hotels and the trains and I don’t need to think about it anymore—and then my brain’s free to, like, go find the next bagel with you, so…

Pokie Huang: Right. I mean, it’s a lot of things that you talk about in the podcast—you know, solo podcast—all the things that you talk about, what you do, you’re actually doing in real life. Um, you actually practice everything that you talk about and I witness everything when you’re here, which was incredible. It was a lot of fun to see that. Oh, yeah—you talk about it, but also you’re doing it.

Michelle Lynne: That’s funny… You didn’t tell me this when we were in person, so I’m learning new things now. So fast! I mean, we did like 20 things a day. New York is the place where dreams come true, I just know it. Like, from sunup to sundown I was running around everywhere. I also wanted to just really highlight—I had to overcome a lot of personal limiting beliefs to do this podcast, and you really encouraged me. So can you just speak to a little bit of, like, you know, you kind of coached me to step into this when I was having a low moment. Like, how did you do that?

Pokie Huang: Well, first of all, podcasting is not easy, right? I think we have to look at a podcast from a different angle. A lot of people are looking to use podcasts as revenue.

Michelle Lynne: Hmm, right. It’s true. I mean, it’s supposed to be towards your target audience so that they can come into your world and…

Pokie Huang: Exactly. But that’s— that’s my point is that people think that can be a revenue coming in, but it’s actually not. Because I think the podcast is the best advertisement that any one of us can use, right? There are a lot of people you connect with because they listen to the podcast. And that is actually what the podcast is supposed to be, right? Because then you reach people.

That’s the same thing that you tell us… “Oh, you listen to this great podcast. They talk about this and that.” But there are so many steps that we’re taking, right? We just started last year. The only main concern for me is not to miss any episodes. If we can be consistent, then we can go to the next step. And I would not agree to do weekly if I didn’t think it’s going to work.

Michelle Lynne: There were specifically a few times, though, when I was like, “I don’t have this in me.” And then you—

Pokie Huang: At the very beginning. Yeah, a little bit. But you know, like you always tell us… When we start something, have something better than nothing, and I think that after a few episodes you get more comfortable.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, that’s true.

Pokie Huang: So yeah, I mean, it was great because we just kept going higher and higher—going up and up. Right. Um, yeah. So otherwise I wouldn’t agree to do weekly because weekly is a lot of work, but I know we need to get to weekly to reach more people because if you think about it, we started April—that’s only 23—so now we’re going to double that. So hopefully we can do 60.

Michelle Lynne: Mm-hmm.

Pokie Huang: My…

Michelle Lynne: Did you say April? You meant January. We—I think we started late March.

Pokie Huang: Recording earlier, but we didn’t really push it out.

Michelle Lynne: Oh, that’s true. And the first episode was nine minutes. Yeah, you’re right. But I just wanted to say, like, you really, you really encouraged me in some points. Also, thank you for going to weeklies, because I didn’t know this. So, I appreciate—

Pokie Huang: No, I think it’s—you encourage me, I encourage you. I think that’s why we work together.

Michelle Lynne: So talk to me about our strategy to protect my inner critic in the beginning with numbers. What did I ask you? Yeah.

Pokie Huang: Which is true, because we all obsess with—I mean, I was looking at it almost every week. I think at the time I can’t remember exactly what you said, but you just wanted more episodes out and then we can look at the numbers later.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, I think I said for the first six months I don’t want to hear anything about numbers because I was so scared of having my brand new project be crushed if I was like, “No one’s listening.”

Pokie Huang: I see. The changes are that when you start talking about podcasting—the newsletter…

Michelle Lynne: Hmm.

Pokie Huang: At the very beginning, when the newsletter goes out, I see the numbers go up…

Michelle Lynne: Yeah.

Pokie Huang:

Michelle Lynne: That’s another huge shoutout to Puck. I mean, that’s Puck doing the newsletter for us. She takes the transcript, she puts it into the newsletter, she sends out the links. They’re all pre-scheduled. I mean, that’s all her. So, I mean, again, talking about systems and hands-off—like, the content’s good, but then to get the numbers behind it, it needs to be promoted. So we promote it through the short form content and then the newsletter.

Pokie Huang: Right. I’m just excited to see what can we do in this coming year with a, with a weekly, um, you—

Michelle Lynne: Oh man, me too. Um, yeah, you just told me that we hit 3,000 downloads this first year, which is—I mean, I think that sounds great. I know in the beginning the first episode had like 50 and I was like, “Good thing I didn’t know until six months in when the numbers were higher,” because if I thought only 50 people were listening and I told everyone on my Instagram stories, and you know, I was like, “Oh no,” I would have been totally discouraged.

I want to know for you, what was one of your highlight episodes this year?

Pokie Huang: Boy, there’s so many. Um, you know, it’s not really fair for me to say, because I listen to every single episode at least three to five.

Michelle Lynne: I know, but that’s why you know which ones are your favorites. Chris Still was amazing. I remember…

Pokie Huang: Yes. I mean, that— that episode turned into a…

Michelle Lynne: A coaching. He was coaching me on my practicing trauma.

Pokie Huang: What’s one that, like, you know, you think about, it comes back to mind often, let’s say. I think was the one with branding.

Michelle Lynne: Peter, Peter Schoendewaard, yeah. He’s my colleague at Codarts.

Pokie Huang: Was—he was talking about branding in a very interesting way.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, Peter has such a beautiful way of talking about artist branding, which helps me a lot. He talks about using words, actions, and visuals. If anybody hasn’t heard that episode, I highly encourage you to go back and listen to it. And that helped me so much. And then I’ve been teaching a lot on artist branding.

I just got accepted to go speak at the Classical Next Conference in May in Berlin, which is like, apparently one of the biggest classical music conferences in the world. So I’m a guest speaker and I’ll be speaking about building your own brand as an artist. So I’m really excited and, like, a lot of those principles came from my work with Peter…

He teaches the minor branding at Codarts University… So, I also wanted to say, to your point about inspiring guests, like, I didn’t realize how much the podcast would open doors for me to be able to talk to people with so much expertise and influence. I mean, I had a professor on from McGill, I had Angela Miles Beeching come on, um, Deanna Breiwick—

I mean, so many wonderful people, experts in their fields, getting these conversations and then being introduced to their audiences as well. I mean, I’ve just felt so privileged and I didn’t realize that that’s what the podcast would do.

Pokie Huang: Dr. Heidi Begay. She talked about how the podcast—you just have to be patient with it.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, her and her husband own a podcast production studio.

Pokie Huang: Right. And so she gave a lot of insights talking about how you need to be patient, you know, and I also learned a lot from that because that kind of aligned with what my thoughts were about podcasts, right? You just have to be patient and…

Michelle Lynne: Didn’t she say that she’s done like over 300 episodes or something and they had 200,000 downloads and then crazy like that? Like, it was so inspiring to listen to her speak.

Pokie Huang: Right. So yeah, I— I mean, like, like you were saying about how this opens the door for you and, you know, I’m excited to see how this coming year is going to bring…

Michelle Lynne: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you’ve already shared so much about what you’ve learned about being in TFA, being with the Mastermind. Is there anything else that I didn’t ask you about? Hey, I asked you in New York how I was doing as an interviewer—if I had good questions—and guess what he said to me? He goes, “Terrible.”

Pokie Huang: Terrible.

Michelle Lynne: He’s like, “You’re—”

Pokie Huang: And after—I think that after maybe, I would say, four or five episodes in, you’re more comfortable. Everything just started rolling, you know, it was really nice.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, and I’m always open to feedback. I mean, I’m constantly asking people for feedback, and I’ve only gotten good things so far, which I guess is also feedback, but, um, yeah, being more comfortable for sure, and asking interesting questions, I think that helps people unlock, because not everyone is so comfortable coming on camera. I know we’ve worked a lot with you too, about being on camera with your content. Actually, that’s the next workshop I want to do with The Fearless Artist: how to be comfortable speaking on camera, because I think so many musicians, uh, can learn those skills that would make it more comfortable for—

Pokie Huang: Right. So, I mean, the fact that I agreed to be here right now, it’s a lot, because I usually am behind, right? Um, I mean, you know, I’m happy to be here because I think to talk about this process, right—it’s great.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah, I think it’s important, and I think it’s also important that people listening understand that it’s not just me, because I’m the face— you know, TFA’s, Deanna comes on from time to time with content, but mostly it’s me talking on camera. So we really try and make sure to show, like, “Hey, we’re a team.” There’s a lot of people—Michelle would have burned out a long time ago if it was just her—and, uh, yeah, it’s a blast. It’s a real privilege to work with you, so thank you for everything you’ve done for the podcast, for TFA, thank you for being part of the mastermind. Do you have an action point, you know, how we finish our episodes—one thing that people can take away from this episode?

Pokie Huang: Consistency.

Michelle Lynne: Consistency.

Pokie Huang: I think that’s what we’ve been focusing on, right? Be consistent, and we’ve seen the results.

Michelle Lynne: Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. How am I going to be consistent? I just made my 2025 goals today with Chad TPT and it blew my mind and, um, it was extremely helpful. And then I asked it also to make like a daily itinerary based on those goals. And that was also very helpful.

Well, Pokie, thanks for your time.

And I will talk to you probably later today because I will need to send you something.

Pokie Huang: Okay.

Michelle Lynne: Okay. Thanks everybody for listening and make sure to go check out Poki on Instagram. It’s @phMediaStudio and you can follow @TheFearlessArtistMastermind on Instagram. And, uh, thanks again, as always for listening—be fearless.